Description
The new Bike Friday All-Packa is a more capable bikepacking bike in more travel situations than previously imagined possible! Yes, its easier to fly, bus, throw in the back of an adventure van, on top of a packraft, etc. than any other bikepacking rig available. It’s also a fully capable dirt road rambler, ready for an unpaved expedition to the farthest corners of the world. No, this isn’t the bike for shredding the most technical trails – instead we designed the All-Packa for the joys of riding our local logging roads and flowy singletrack.
The All-Packa is a custom bike that will fit you perfectly as we handbuild it to your size in Eugene, Oregon USA. We have used our 30 years experience of building customized travel bikes that fold and optimized this frame for the key needs of dirt and gravel bikepacking.
Watch to learn more about the All-Packa
Features:
- Fits most bikepacking bags on the market with three-packs (3 bottle braze-ons) on seat mast, fork legs, down tube, and four-pack on top tube
- Clearance for 20 in x 2.4 in tires. Widely available around the world
- Geometry optimized for off-road gear hauling with a longer front-center and lower center-of-gravity than other Bike Fridays
- The All-Packa is custom fit for riders from 4 ft 6 in to 6 ft 4 in, with better gear hauling options that any other bikepacking bike on the market. Lower step-over! Seatpack will never rub the rear tire!
- The frame folds in 30 seconds (32x24x12″) to fit into a bus, car trunk, packraft etc…
- Packs into an airline check-able suitcase – The only bikepacking bike that also flies!
- Rider weight up to 220lbs with no gear weight limits
- E-assist compatible and upgradable
- Built to your size, color and component choices in Oregon by our team
The All-Packa differs from the Diamond Llama in several key ways:
- Wider tire clearance (2.4in versus 2.2in)
- Braze-ons: Hydraulic brake compatible, 3-packs on seatmast, top tube and both fork legs plus 4-pack on top tube
- Bottom bracket is .5in lower
- Top tube is oval instead of round, maintaining stiffness, decreasing weight, and increasing space for frame bags
- Ride-quality optimized tubing spec for people 220lbs or less; Diamond Llama frame can take up to 330lb rider
Packalope Handlebar is great for handling a load on rough roads, but still split for easy packing, as only Bike Friday handlebars can! Flattened tops and extensions add additional comfortable hand positions. 31.8 clamp, 730mm wide, 17deg sweep, 380 grams. Compatible with MTB cockpits.
Bike Friday straight Alloy MTB Handlebars come standard on the All-Packa.
Options for your All-Packa:
Electric Assist Option:
You can add an electric assist to this bike. It is a front hub motor pedal assist style and comes with a 36V battery with ~60km (37mile) range. This hub motor system replaces the front hub in the front wheel.
More details on the hub motor:
- No motor resistance
- Very light! Adds only ~ 10 lbs to your bike
- Very Quiet!
- Disc brake compatible (except Avid’s)
Choose your frame color:
There are many more colors available if you order your bike as ‘Full Custom’ when working with a Bike Friday Expert. The ‘Color Viewer’ below shows our whole color palette, regular and full custom, together.
Note: Bags and cages shown in pictures are examples, Bike Friday does not carry these items. You can order direct from hundreds of bikepacking gear makers, or make your own, and use your creative style to customize your rig.
“What is Bikepacking and how is it different than Touring?”
Bikepacking is the synthesis of all-terrain cycling and self-supported backpacking. It evokes the freedom of multi-day backcountry hiking and travel off the beaten path, but with the range and thrill of riding a nimble bicycle. It’s about venturing further into places less traveled, both near and far, via singletrack trails, gravel, and forgotten dirt roads, carrying the essential gear, and not much more. (From Bikepacking 101)
“Bikepacking is what bicycles originally were… There were no cars. There was no asphalt. Bikepacking is as bicycling was intended to be.” -Joe Cruz (prominent bikepacker and Bike Friday owner)
How to order your bike on this page:
- Follow all the steps in the drop-down menus above then “Add to cart” and follow steps in your cart to purchase.
- A Bike Friday Expert will follow up with you to determine your sizing, pick-up /ship date (production takes 5-7 weeks on average) and confirm any other needed details about your order.
- Then you get your bike!
Additional Ways to Order with More Options:
We offer many more options than we can post here without overwhelming people. We can likely build what you are looking for. Just contact us and tell a friendly Bike Expert what you are looking for.
Bike Friday 10 Year WarrantyWe have a strong warranty on our frames against defects in material and/or workmanship for 10 years. Warranty is non-transferable. Bicycle components (excluding tires, chain, cables, etc.) generally have a 1-year limited warranty. CLICK HERE for full warranty information.
-Joe Cruz (Bike Friday owner and Bikepacking.com contributor)
“This is a bike for going far and doing something ambitious and unusual. Or it’s for everyday dirt road meandering. Or it’s for virtually anything in between. If I had to create a short list of game-changing bikes in the last decades of bikepacking—a list that would include, say, the Surly Pugsley, the Salsa Fargo and Cutthroat, and the Cannondale Slate—I’d put the All-Packa on it. I’m not even remotely kidding.”
– Joe Cruz (bikepacking.com contributor and bikepacking guru)
“I could not stop yelling “THIS THING RIPS” as I was swooping back and forth on one of Missoula’s newest ridgeline trails.”
– Ally Mabry (Art Director of Adventure Cyclist)
“As I prepped the All-Packa with my latest bikepacking setup, I began to feel increasingly at ease with it. The bike felt rock-solid in every way, and packing it up for a trip was actually enjoyable. I love bikepacking, but I have to admit that I usually find getting my bike setup a bit of a chore. However, with the All-Packa, I was able to rethink my entire setup thanks to the numerous mounts and exposed areas on the frame. There seemed to be mounts on every available spot, including triple mounts on the seat tube, a quadruple mount (!!!!) on the top tube, triple mounts on the down tube, and on each fork blade.”
– Barry Lachapelle (Founder of Bike Gear Database)
“CLICK HERE” to read about the All-Packa receiving a “2022 Gear of the Year” Award from bikepacking.com for one of the best bikepacking bikes of the year!
Read the Story : How the All-Packa was developed by Willie Hatfield on our Blog
Watch the video of: The First All-Packa’s being built
Note: We offer full bikes and frame kits, the travel case in the video is an optional upgrade
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I love my All-Packa, which was delivered last year during Thanksgiving week. I love that it's so versatile, enabling me to ride on a variety of terrain. It's also so peppy that I sometimes feel like I'm on an eBike.
I've ridden it on the roads to work and over gravel trails near my home. I purchased a Samsonite Novaire and packed it in June for a 10-day trip to the Netherlands which included a 5-day self-guided tour sponsored by Holland Bike Tours.
I struggled with GPS, but the bike was great over the flat roads and trails from Haarlem to Gouda to Bosschenhoofd to Middelburg to Delft and back to Haarlem, nearly 300 miles. The longest ride was 103 km out of Middelburg to Delft, a lovely canal town famous for it's blue-painted pottery. Storm warnings were issued the day before the ride and the proprietor of one store, as were were talking about my long ride the following day, said, "Take the train." Headwinds were predicted to reduce cycling speeds to under 8 mph.
The rain ended up stopping at 9 am and the predicted winds turned into tail ones and I sped along route, which included crossing North Sea bridges four times, at an average of 15 mph. The All-Packa was my steady and comfortable guide.
My trip in the Netherlands passed through farmland and small towns where I saw windmills, goats, horses, sheep, cows, Medieval churches, cafes, and thousands of people cycling on the amazing network of protected bike lanes, paths, trails, and multi-use roads.
A few weeks later I brought the All-Packa to Idaho for a 5-day camping and self-guided bike trip along the Coeur d'Alenes bike trail, rated as one of the most scenic trails in America, sponsored by Adventure Cycling. While the almost entirely flat and paved terrain was perfect for the All-Packa, she did even better on the 16-mile downhill gravel experience along the Route of the Hiawatha Trail, where I got covered in mud and dust.
The owner of Holland Bike tours was skeptical when I told him I was bringing my own folding bike for the tour there, but once he saw the bike and got on it, he knew it was built for anything.
I love my All-Packa. Have I said that already?
Thanks,
Steven Friedman
www.steven-friedman.blogspot.com
Great to see a diamond frame again (Bike Friday classic owner)!
What I’d want to see before ordering would be a video showing the folding process. I already own a Tiket, how does this one differ? Also what is the weight? Have I missed it in the specs?
Stephen, the tikit has a unique fold unlike any of our other bikes. The All-Packa actually has the same fold as many of our bikes, including the New World Tourist, the Diamond Llama, the Pocket Rockets, and many now discontinued models. The weight and specs are listed under the “Additional Information” tab. If you have further questions, please contact us directly.
What are the actual gear inches of the 2×9? If loaded down they would need to be low for climbing… Thx
George, we should have some videos soon, but not quite yet. You can look to our other bikes for an idea of how the bike folds and packs. The uniqueness of the All-Packa lies mostly in its optimization for off road handling and for its capability in handling bikepacking gear. With 2.4″ tires and a 50/34 11-36 drivetrain, the gear inches should be 95-19″ which is nice and low, especially given the fact that smaller wheels accelerate faster, and thus climb better, than bigger wheels.
Are there any videos of this bike. Some kind of demonstration videos? Thx
This just came out recently from Fixie Dave aka Dave Nice, who built his up from the frame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN9p3qpwFIM
It’s not exactly a demonstration video, per se, and is certainly not official, but you should get an idea of the bike in action. There’s also some shots of the frame being built up.
I was wondering if I can pre-order through my local bike shop Portapedal in Tempe AZ. I’ve bought 3 bikes there and would like the bike sent there if possible. Also I might have missed it but what is the tire options for this bicycle. Is the pre-order discount going to last till all 50 bikes are sold or is there a time window for the discount.
Jonathan, you’re certainly welcome to order your bike through your local dealer, as long as they are amenable to the idea. As for tires, theoretically anything is possible, but, of course, only certain things are available right now (supply chain issues, of course). Schwalbe Big Bens, Big Apples, and Super Moto-X are the options we’re regularly offering. As for the discount, it will last until all the bikes are sold, which is to say it probably won’t last too long!
How much does it weigh?
Alan, if you look under the “additional information” tab, you’ll find the answer: “Starts at 27 lbs with standard 9speed components to 38lbs when electric assist is included. Weight depends on your frame size and choice of options on your bike.”
I’m quite new to folding bikes. What bb standard does this have and does this work will all (nonboost) mtb drivetrains?
Kirk, it’s a 68mm wide English threaded bottom bracket. Should work with most MTB drivetrains, but keep in mind that a small wheel means lower gearing so you might not want a MTB drivetrain.
am I able to buy an All-packa frame and build it up myself with my own parts?
Ribert, sure you can buy a frame. There’s no way to order that off the website at time of writing, so get in touch with us directly and we can help you out to order one. (Edit: There is now!)
What does the framekit option consist of?
Poul, the frameset includes the entirety of the frame (main frame, rear end, seat mast, stem riser, fork) and a headset, all fully assembled together.
Hiya, I’m thinking of saving my pennies for a custom build from a frameset, but have a few questions:
1. Will SRAM XPLR (10-44) fit, or is 40T the largest where the derailleur will clear the rear tyre?
2. Am I correct in thinking the BB shell is 68mm, and that road cranks will fit?
3. What size range of outer chainrings will the braze-on FD mount accommodate?
4. What size rotors will fit?
Thank you! 😉
Hi Steven, good questions.
1. The answer depends on the derailleur design, cage length, and chain length. As the cassette gets larger, the derailleur gets closer to the ground and tire. I drew the line at 40t but that’s not a “hard” limit. I also do not recommend long cage derailleurs, so using medium cage derailleurs establishes another limit on cassette size. I suggest a front derailleur to get the widest range.
2. Correct! Road cranks provide more suitable gear ranges due to the smaller wheels than MTB cranks.
3. Roughly 40-55, though we can adjust the braze-on higher or lower if requested.
4. I strongly recommend 160mm rotors. The ratio of rotor to tire diameter is important for performance so a 160mm rotor on a 20×2.4″ is equivalent in stopping power to a 220mm rotor on a 29er.
Thanks Willie! Sounds like 1 is maybe, 2 & 3 are good, but I’m still wondering if 140mm rotors can actually be fitted, especially on the rear.
Stephen, sorry for missing your reply. The rear disc brake uses an IS tab so you can choose an IS to Post Mount adapter for a 140mm rotor. The fork is Post Mount for 160mm.
Hi, can you please tell me if a 46/30 crankset is an option with the 11-36 cassette? Thanks.
James, there are square taper FSA Tempo adventure cranks in 46/30 we could use, so not the upgraded crankset that comes with the All Terrain package, but it would get you what you’re looking for.
Ok, thanks very much Walter.
Hello There,
1. Can get with 44 tooth cassette instead of the 36 on the 2×9?
2. Is there an option for a dynmo hub? If so, how do I order with the bike?
Thanks,
George
1. No, 36t is the maximum cassette size we recommend for the longer cage derailleurs necessary for 2x setups.
2. If you speak to our sales team directly, sales@bikefriday.com, they can work with you on a full custom build with a dynamo hub. The fork will have external routing for the wiring. We do not offer the SON SL connector-less dropout at this time.
HI
We are thinking of replacing our two Pocket Rocket Pros with the All-packa. Gravel is more our thing now and we really like the look of your new All-Packa!! A couple of quick questions in regards to packing.
1. We use our Trailer/Suitcase as we do a lot of point to point cycling. Can we install a mount on the chainstay so we can use our existing trailer setup with the All-packa?
2. Will the trailer bits and trailer wheels fit in the Samsonite suitcase with the Packa or is it too chunky?
3. Can I use my foldable BF rear rack with the All-Packa?
Thanks,
CJ
CJ:
1. Yes, we have an add on hitch.
2. It should fit in the case, yes.
3. Yes, the rear rack will work.
That said, order away!
How are you getting the rack to fit? I have an All-Packa (#76/100) and the Bike Friday folding rear rack (bought with my Pocket Llama). I have tried Avid BB7 and Shimano XT brakes. In both instances the rear mounting bolt that holds the mounting bracket to to the IS tab sticks out too far to allow the rear stay of the Bike Friday folding rack to attach to the mounting point. The caliper body of the BB7s also stick out too far to allow attachment of the rack’s rear stay. I would like the rack for certain trips.
Kris, you might not have the right spacers. You should reach out to service@bikefriday.com and I’m sure they can get you sorted.
Hello hi Dear Admin.
Could you please tell me
the front hub spacing and the rear hub spacing?
Thanks
Wilde
Wilde, the front hub spacing is 100mm and the rear is 135mm, at least given the standard rear hub. Thru axles are not an option, so quick release (or solid axle) only!
As I gather the geometry of the bike changes as it goes from smaller to larger frame sizes. I wonder how many frame sizes you have? Also how a frame size of NWT would correspond to a frame size of the All-packa? And last – would using smaller tires, say 1.75″ bring the BB too low or it’d be still usable?
Quite happy you guys keep improving on the designs you offer.
Thanks,
Nick
Nick, I think all of your questions will be answered by Willie’s blog on the All-Packa, or at least the geometry chart. You will likely also see there that you must have at least 2″ tires.
Hi, I have a few questions:
– Packed dimensions (32x24x12″) are meant with wheels on, correct? If I remove the wheels it should be a little bit smaller, right?
– Is it possible to install a rear rack? If yes, does it affect packed dimensions?
– What is the minimum tire width that can be used with provided rims? I’d like to use 2.1-ish tire.
– If I proceed with the purchase will I be contacted later for measures customizations or should I do it in advance?
Thanks.
I hope to be able to purchase one of your bikes soon. Almost time to finalize my dream.
Cheers. Giorgio.
Giorgio:
* Yes, removing the wheels will make it smaller.
* You can fit a rear rack on. Our folding rack will make packing into the suitcase possible. With regards to folding, it will increase the size, but will not inhibit the fold.
* The rims are not the limiting factor, but the bike frame. You can go up to 2.4″ tires.
* I would suggest filling out our sizing form in advance, but if you forget, we’ll get in touch afterwards.
Hello 🙂
Is it possible to add another 3 bottle braze-on on the “head mast”?
Thanks,
Arthur
Arthur, we’ve generally avoided braze-ons on the stem riser as there is a lot of stress on this piece already without adding the issue of affecting it by the heat of brazing. However, we have have some clamp on bottle braze-ons. These are similar to the King Cage Universal Support Bolt, except that they aren’t built around a band clamp. You could add as many or as little as you like and arrange t hem any way you want. We sell them for $11 each.
Ah ok that makes sense. I’m glad you guys are keeping an eye out for that. That would be a terrible part to fail 😅 I’ll order a few and keep in mind to not overload it.
Thanks!
Arthur
Hello, what is the wheel base distance?
Does it change with different frame sizes?
Hi Poul, please see my blog post for a geometry chart. Yes, the wheelbase changes! https://bikefriday.com/creating-the-all-packa
Hello,, Could you add brace on behind the headtube, I would like to add a front basket to bring my 10kg dogo for a ride just like haul a day.
Unfortunately, the diamond frame makes this impossible. You could always use a front basket, though, e.g. something from Wald.
Hello,
I noticed the nice fitting Revelate frame bag in the pictures. What model is it? Is it custom made?
-Arthur
Arthur,
To be fair, the Revelate bag is kind of squished in there, but it’s one of these:
https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/frame-bags/TangleFrameBag
A much better option is the Take A Trip bag made specifically for the bike:
https://www.takeatripbags.com/product/bike-friday-framebag/
Hi,
my height is 182 cm, can I use 175 mm cranks with no risk to have pedal stikes ? What kind of rack can I use ? There is only 9 mm QR option for hubs ?
Patrick,
No problem with 175mm cranks. FWIW, given 50mm (approximately 2″) Schwalbe Billy Bonkers tires, the floor to center of bottom bracket height is about 26.5cm. Put another way, the bottom bracket rise is 5mm.
Regarding the racks, assuming you want the bike to pack in the suitcase, you’ll want to use the folding rear rack and/or low rider racks that we specifically make for our bikes. You can look on the New World Tourist page for more info about those. You don’t see them mentioned here because the All-Packa is a bikepacking bike rather than a touring bike. That is to say it’s meant to carry a load, but using bikepacking bags rather than racks and panniers. In other words, you’re hanging the bags off the bike frame. This ultimately is a lighter and more compact solution and one that handles much better off road. There are a few options out there for so-called mini-panniers that are meant to sort of straddle both worlds. One such option that looks like it should fit the bike and pack nicely in the suitcase is from tailfin.cc.
With regards to the front fork, we are not currently offering thru-axles, if that is your question. You could use a solid axle as an alternative to a QR, though.
Happy New Year!
Is it possible to order the Alpaka, or any of your other models, with sliding dropouts for singlespeed and geared hub drivetrains?
Thanks!
Martin, every current production model that folds except for the belt drive versions of the pakiT, New World Tourist, and Pocket Rocket has a hinge behind the bottom bracket, putting the two elements of the drivetrain on separate frame parts. Because of this, the chain slightly tensions before it loosens when folding. That makes dealing with rear facing fork ends kind of a pain, since you’d need to mess with the chain and/or rear wheel in order to fold the rear end. If you have a fixed gear, this is a requirement, of course. The simple solution on any model is to use a chain tensioner.
Is it possible to use a dropper seat post on the All-Packa? I imagine one could shim from 28.6mm to 27.2mm.
If so, could the cable routing be internal, or would it need to be external?
Cedric, sure can. There’s not really enough of an exit from the seat mast for internal routing, so I’d go external.
Can you tell me the main differences between the All Packa and the Llama to help with decision making for which one to buy?
Gordon, put simply the Llama is more or less a New World Tourist that is designed to support people heavier than 220 pounds. The one model we have that was designed for bikepacking (especially as it relates to bags) and specifically for off road riding (although it works well on road) is the All-Packa. Hope that helps.
Beautiful bikes, do you have a distributor in germany where I could drive one?
Greetings Ange
Angelo, we do not have a German distributor, but we do have one in Belgium:
https://www.bikepacking-belgium.be/
Can the All-Packa and/or NWT be set up with a Rohloff? FYI, I’m a long-time & very satisfied user of a Pocket Rocket but now doing more off-tarmac touring. Thank you!
Ted, a Rohloff is an option on all of our bikes— as long as we can get them. We can always sell you a compatible frame (see the frame option on the All-Packa, for example).
Hello, is it possible to equip the All-Packa with a belt drive an the Rohloff Spped Hub? Best regards
Rene, Rohloff, yes (see the frame option above and you’ll see an option to allow for it), but not the belt, sorry.
My height is 162cm, can I use the standard frame .
Thanks,
Long
Long: yes, because our standard is to custom build the frame, meaning we can fit practically anyone.
I have the All-Packa and I ordered the front rack from you recently. There is a nut welded to the center of the stabilizer bar. What is this for?
Hi Valerie, the M6 braze-on on the front rack stabilizer bar is commonly used for mounting front lights. This position is low and out of the way of most bags, so it’s a great spot for seeing, and being seen.
Hi Walter and Willie
I am a new happy owner of an All-Packa frameset in L and will customize build it to myself.
What chain-line do you advice? I plan to go with a 1×12 setup with a SRAM Force AXS and ROTOR 11-36 Cassette and a Tune Crankset (originally 3-speed) with a 42 chainring on the middle bolt ring. Actually I have a White Industries BB JIS-68 BSA with 113 mm axle length … is it best for a smooth gearing chain-line or what is your suggestion?!
Second question: what is the correct diameter for the seat-post. I measured somewhat uncommon 28.6 internal diameter?!
Third question: How long is the fork and the fork installation height (including the lower headset bearing hight)
Many thanks from Germany,
Peter
Peter,
You should consult our manual on the frameset:
https://bikefriday.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/All-Packa-Frame-Kit-Manual-2023.pdf
There you will find you should use a 47-50mm chainline and a 28.6mm seatpost.
Regarding your final question, I presume your question concerns the headset itself. The manual suggests minimizing stack height to maximize stiffness of the front end. To that end, it references Chris King as a bad idea (upper stack 17.7mm, lower 13.7mm) while recommending Cane Creek (16/12mm).
I hope that answers your questions.
Hi Walter. Many thanks. That will help out. Best from Germany, Peter
Hi Walter
I am interested to add the Packalope Handlebar to my All-Packa built.
What diameter does the Packalope Handlebar have on it’s all 4 ends, I mean handlebars end AND extentsions end … especially to install bar-end tools and/or shifters.
Second, how much of weight load is it capable?